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Kami_sama

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2015, 08:41:26 PM »

Disregards everything I said about school day, this anime is great ! :sparkle:
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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2015, 01:11:20 AM »

Why does Saber keep talking about saving Britain.
Last I checked it didn't go anywhere.
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Kami_sama

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2015, 04:37:17 AM »

She wants to save past Britain. Yeah she's a little bit retarded.
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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2015, 04:43:07 AM »

Wait what?
Let me get my British history straight.
So British tribes got conquered by romans and shit.
Then the romans fucked off because their empire was in decline.
Then the Germanic tribes came in and settled.
Then they went to the medieval ages.
Then in the 1700s they became the glorious British empire.

When does Camelot and the round table and shit fit into this? I understand it's fantasy, but what's the canon timeline here.
Did they have that, then regress back to tribes and get conquered by Rome?
Or did it happen in the middle ages and everyone in the modern age just forgot.
what's the distinction between new Britain and old Britain?

When's your essay? I still wanna read it.
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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2015, 07:14:08 AM »

5th-6th century iirc. Right at the start of the middle ages.

>Then the Germanic tribes came in and settled.

This is what the Arthurian lore deals with in part. They're all Germanic tribes making claims to the British isles.

I believe Arthur leads the Angles, who are fighting against the Saxons for supremacy of England.
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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2015, 07:24:24 AM »

But where does old Britain fall?
I assume they lose to the Saxons?
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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2015, 08:09:56 AM »

You mean Arthur's Britain?

Never existed. It's entirely fiction with no actual historic counterpart, though I guess it was inspired by Rome. So there's no 'fall of old Britian'.

Edit: So to clarify, Saber wants to save her Britain which in Arthurian lore, fell, and splintered into tribes.

In reality, these tribes were never united (other than various defence agreements and stuff I guess), but they do exist and eventually form England.
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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2015, 08:29:45 AM »

Wait, you mean Arthurs Britain never existed in the nasuverse?
I was under the impression that it did.
I thought all the heroic spirits were actual people in canon.
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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2015, 09:16:45 AM »

It did exist in Nasuverse, I guess.

But not in the real world.
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Kami_sama

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2015, 10:23:01 AM »

Why does fate/stay night sucks ?

The characters

First we have Shirou. He's your basic harem MC with survivor's guilt, which makes him make choices who makes you want to punch your screen. The two most important ones being that he doesn't want Saber to get hurt and that he doesn't want to kill most of his opponent in the Holy Grail War.

The problem with his philosophy is that it's so stupid it breaks suspension of disbelief. Let's first focus on Saber : he has been proven by fact that he's totally useless in combat. Also, he knows that as soon as he dies, Saber will follow him because she won't have any master left. He also know that she can withstand blows that would kill him instantly. However, he still wants to fight in the front line to “protect” her.
The writers probably wanted to show how much of a good guys Shirou is. However, no one would do that. For Shirou to act like he does in the anime, he would need to be insanely dumb, because he would need to completely fail at understanding the situation. There's no way he wouldn't understand that his way of doing things is not only useless, but in fact increase his and Saber's chances to die. Yet in the anime he just do suicidal things and spout nonsenses as excuses.

Because of his comportment, he ends up in situations where he should die. However, since he's the MC, he is given a huge plot armor which greatly contribute to breaking your suspension of disbelief and making you stop caring about what's happening in the anime.

The way he acts with the other masters is dumb for the very same reason. The part where he is introduced to the Holy Grail Wars can be sumed up like this :

“Shirou, if you decide to fight we will have to try to kill each other”
“Ok.”
“Ok, let's fight.”
“No, I don't want to hurt you.”
“Mouuu Shirou ~~”

Let's look at how the anime present it : Shirou don't want people to get hurt so he join the war.

How will him joining the war prevent people to get hurt ? ->We don't know. Nothing is said about that and he doesn't seems to have a plan.

What will he do to prevent people to get hurt ? → He'll mainly chill at his house with his growing harem and will sometimes get out because he's attacked by an other master and let Saber carry him to victory.

Now the real question is how does this not get him killed early in the war ? Because of his huge plot armor, as said before, and because the other characters are dumbed down/designed so they won't kill him

Shirou has one of the strongest servant. However he's dumb and expose himself way too much. Why doesn't he get killed ? Simple, as as said before, because all the other characters are design so they would like him enough not to kill him.

First we have Thosaka Rin. She's a magus at heart, like her father. Father who didn't hesitate to give one of his children to another family. Rin, despite being like her father, makes an exception for Shirou because she has a crush on him. When she later discovers he has one of the strongest servant, she still spars him and becomes his ally and enter his harem because he's nice.

Of course you could argue that she's manipulating him and plan to kill him once he and saber will finish clearing her path to victory. However, while watching the anime, it's obvious she's just casting away her mage duties, which she is said to put above everything else, because she has a crush on Shirou. It's like the writers were pretending she was a certain type of character, and then made her acts like she had completely different belief that said to have.

Then you have Illya. In F/SN UBW we're given a good explanation why she doesn't outright kill Shirou. However, in the first Fate Stay Night, she just toys with him for no reason, allowing him to, in the end, defeat her. After this, she'll change her mood and begin to live with him in order to add the loli factor to his harem.

The others master don't have such a big impact in the anime so I won't talk about them. Also I saw the first F/SN long ago so I don't really recall what the minor characters did.

The plot

I complained a lot about Shirou's harem. It's because F/SN is not intended to be an harem show but more fantastic/battle one. However most of the war and the battle are just an excuse to put a fucking stupid main character into a harem of girl who's smarter move would be to kill him before he becomes smart enough to use his OP servant to stomp then into the ground.
So the show is just us following Shirou's life, Shirou's love life, Shirou being carried and getting closer and closer to the grail because if he were to die the story would stop. We have huge side-stories when we can see Shirou going on a date with girl, Shirou enjoying school life and so on.
At the end of the anime he's faced with an opponent so strong even the writer though he had to actually do something special to deserve the victory. So he yells “I believe in my ideals” and they the bad guy loses.
In UBW he yells “I believe a little bit in my ideals” and the bad guy loses.

On the other hands Fate Zero had characters who acted like there really where in a battle where they could die, they had real motivation for the grail and did make clever move.

To conclude I'd say that F/SN is a harem with a side story who doesn't fit the harem style while Fate Zero is a good exemple of what F/SN should have been is the writer wanted it to be about an epic battle for a powerful magic item.
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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2015, 12:22:09 PM »

Shirou is like 80% more retarded than he has any business being. At least he redeems himself with age.

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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2015, 05:48:26 PM »

Arigato Kami, I knew I dropped fsn for a reason.
In all fairness, Shirous plot armor is probably less apparent in the VN, given how many bad ends there are.
However this still doesn't excuse the sloppy writing.

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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2015, 06:13:17 AM »

Does anyone else wonder how the classification board reacts to anime?
Like, I can just imagine a bunch of old geezers sitting down to watch Oreimo.
"Guys, do we give the incest show an R rating or an MA?"

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Kami_sama

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2015, 08:31:54 AM »

Thanks God it's rated M. Good job protecting our youth. :wave:

Do you think some of the guys in the classification board have waifu ? Maybe they rate these anime "harsher" than they should so less people would see their waifu and so less people will wank to them.
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McJongJing

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Re: The general anime thread
« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2015, 08:39:30 AM »

Can you imagine them having arguments over whose waifu is the best?
And they rate certain shows R18 for having slut waifus.

Imagine how awkward it would have been if they got boners while watching something like Prisma Illya.

Oh wow I even checked madmans webstore to see if that was a legit rating and it is.  I don't even recall anything of lewdness going on in Nichijou.  :laugh:
Yeah Ky I'm struggling too.

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