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McJongJing

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #225 on: May 26, 2015, 09:35:52 PM »

How are the workers going to be in power?
Shouldn't they be working?
Wouldn't they need an education in law and economics?

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ScumbagSoldier

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #226 on: May 26, 2015, 09:38:48 PM »

It's a start, but I still ain't a fan of the disemphasis of individualism.

Under this system, oddballs more or less get left out in the cold.
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Kami_sama

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #227 on: May 27, 2015, 06:11:55 AM »

I agree with RQ.

We don't need to totally change capitalism. However adding a little bit of socialism in it better the thing for almost everyone. I know I'm ansewring lately but I went to bed.




...but society is fucking EVERYONE in the ass! The rich are getting fucked by the government, while you're getting fucked by the rich, who keep wages down because they're getting fucked in the ass, and because they're bastards. Meanwhile, the government is further deducting wages to send people poorer then yourself to school, as well as provide them with free money, as they proceed to NOT pay taxes and...oh my, what happened to that equality you were providing again?
The rich are hardly fucked by the government. :laugh:
The government allows them to have access to a stable country with plenty of workforce they can hire and then milk as consumers. It's only normal they have to pay for it.
What the fuck am I reading?
It's the government's job to maintain society, and uphold the law, as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, and thanks to this you can have industries and production center in the country without the fear of them being destroyed.

What I meant is that this allows rich people to have successful business and thus make money. So it's fair to ask a part of this money.



Also having government-subsided education and other basic facilities (medicare, etc.), if you can't afford them, is indeed helping equality. If you free lower classes of some of their financial burden, then can shoot for higher education level, which allows them to "level up" in the social ladder. Whereas it would be impossible if one semester in your uni was worth 1 year of salary of your father.

This also assure you that people will have a good level of education, including in technical domain. This way you can sustain an industry relying on high quality product and high quality trained worker, which allows you not to totally lose against China.
You always, ALWAYS lose to China when it comes to unskilled labor, unless you want to reduce minimum wage, which is always a bad idea. That said, I certainly agree that education needs to be accessible. I don't know what's the best way to do it.
Not always. In the case of production of high amount of product, you have the possibility of automating the process. It doesn't work for everything (for example welding PCB to things, usually plastics, is usually done in China by workers) but in a lot of case you can ditch your herd of unskilled underpaid worker and get shiny machines instead. A good example of this would be the automotive industry.

This way you beat the unskilled worker in amount produced, costs and quality. You still have to use workers, but since you use them for higher-level task, you need them to be better trained. You can also pay them more without impacting the product because of the combination between the high amount of product created and the relative low-amount of worker needed.


This isn't even into the government deciding precisely how much of your wealth is in need of a thorough redistribution, who are a collective of incompetent beurocrats who are a slave to self interest groups and the banks.
Bureaucrats are not incompetent. Western government aren't all corrupt. If you really think your government is nothing but corrupt people trying to steal most of your money you should either move out or start a revolution.
What the fuck am I reading?
I was a little bit harsh because I was tired, sorry. :sad:
Saying that your government is made of corrupt and incompetent bureaucrats is just wrong. You're not in a South-Africa dictatorship. No system is perfect and enterprises have their share of incompetent people, you just don't see them.
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RQ

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #228 on: May 27, 2015, 07:49:07 AM »

How are the workers going to be in power?
Shouldn't they be working?
Wouldn't they need an education in law and economics?
The thing is currently factories and places of employment are privately owned and run by a few people with the rest of employees usually having no shares in the companies stock, and therefore they don't own the means of production (places they work at)
Social ownership means that the people who own the place are the people who actually work there, since they should be the direct benefactors of their labour.
This means employees have more of a say in terms of how the company is run and what it produces. Here's an example.
It doesn't mean that everyone that works there needs to be an expert on running a business.

It's a start, but I still ain't a fan of the disemphasis of individualism.

Under this system, oddballs more or less get left out in the cold.
That's really not true. There will still be currency and freedom of association, as well as a larger economical safety net.
The thing is, the way things work currently is actually part of the cause 'oddballs' even exist. There's an incentive to not help people because they are potential competitors, not to mention various forms of classism which stem from the amount of inequality.
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Ming

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2015, 09:14:05 AM »

Remember when fishnets were in like every other porno?

I miss those days
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lmoa

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #230 on: May 27, 2015, 09:24:18 AM »

Nothing like the warped, static-y VHS pornos.
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Ollistar

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #231 on: May 27, 2015, 11:32:39 AM »

That's the best. Finding a good vintage porn from like the 70s or 80s on pornhub is golden.
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ScumbagSoldier

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #232 on: May 27, 2015, 01:04:18 PM »

How are the workers going to be in power?
Shouldn't they be working?
Wouldn't they need an education in law and economics?
The thing is currently factories and places of employment are privately owned and run by a few people with the rest of employees usually having no shares in the companies stock, and therefore they don't own the means of production (places they work at)
Social ownership means that the people who own the place are the people who actually work there, since they should be the direct benefactors of their labour.
This means employees have more of a say in terms of how the company is run and what it produces. Here's an example.
It doesn't mean that everyone that works there needs to be an expert on running a business.

It's a start, but I still ain't a fan of the disemphasis of individualism.

Under this system, oddballs more or less get left out in the cold.
That's really not true. There will still be currency and freedom of association, as well as a larger economical safety net.
The thing is, the way things work currently is actually part of the cause 'oddballs' even exist. There's an incentive to not help people because they are potential competitors, not to mention various forms of classism which stem from the amount of inequality.

Here, I disagree on your first point.

Whoever's running the business should be the primary benefactor of the business. Whoever's rendering a service, ie, the workers, should benefact from their services rendered. The latter still holds all the power because they're key to the operation and have an interest in the continued success of the operation, so they have the leverage to demand what they think is best, but most things are run by an enterprising leader.

Also, with what you're describing, you still acknowledging that there'll be enterprisers and workers, but saying that they're still "equal."

Overall, everything you describe seems to have no sympathy for innovators.
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Ming

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #233 on: May 27, 2015, 01:09:28 PM »

STOP

TALKING

ABOUT

POLITICS

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lmoa

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2015, 01:33:28 PM »

It'll stop when you get the server up and running

hopefully  :angry:
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Ming

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2015, 01:38:19 PM »

Well, TECHNICALLY, the server is running.

The problem is there's no suitable game install which will let you play on it  :tears:

I'll find a way, I really want to have everything working so I can play this weekend!
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McJongJing

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2015, 03:40:22 PM »

Does anyone else fap to old doujinshi?
I always feel really nostalgic, and wonder what happened to the author.
Is he dead? Is he still producing it ten years later?
Did he ever find true love?
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Ming

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2015, 04:10:05 PM »

Of course. I had great taste even a decade ago.
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McJongJing

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2015, 04:13:00 PM »

Mingu, how do I find really old stuff?
Like stuff people drew back in the nineties?
It's sad thinking about how much fap material we've lost.
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Ming

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Re: General Chat
« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2015, 04:51:26 PM »

Your best bet is probably googling vintage cartoon porn (or hentai).

Searching vintage on exhentai might work.

It's out there, but you kinda need to know what you're looking for in particular I think. Like the titles of the works you want.

You should really check out Kuso Miso Technique btw totally the best vintage hentai out there

 :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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